Do I recollect that Peter Siddall used to sail a merlin? How well he has done to be playing for the ashes in the Aussie team.
Ahh...I think you'll find that Pete was part of the exodus over to 505s in the late 1970s/early 1980s. If I recall, he either crewed for Steve France or Vernon Ralston (along with the likes of John Patterson and Andy (hakuna matata) Jones.
I think he carried on crewing Vernon Ralston. There are many stories told about Pete Siddle and vernon. Didn't they sail round Salcombe with a transistor radio one year?
Merlins/505's. Pete crewed for Vernon(ex.White Hysteria)(rumour had it he got caught up in the self bailer offloading his morning tea before the race after their traditional spot of pre race tandem cycling. The paper was merely a cunning cover up.) in a beautiful composite red Phil/Spud 505. Rob Trickett also had a sister white Spud boat. Steve France and Robbie (had a black Parker. John Patterson had a Kyrwood and I think had Dave Webster (ex Pat Blake) crewing at one point. Lew Dann crewed for John Loveday to a few major wins and Lawrie Smith did well too and sold a white Parker to Colin Humphrey (ex green Hysteria) when he moved to France.I've run out of steam now but I'm sure there are many more. They are both great boats.
Andy... thanks for jogging the memory. As you say,both great boats, sailed by great people who all knew a bit about having a lot of fun! It is interesting to note the dynamic between the two classes - a lot of crews ended up migrating their way into the bigger boat where they quickly made their mark. Phil Morrison was another who made the move, with the result being the superb Rowsell/Morrison 505s, one of which, 'Ethel' was very much a winner in the hands of Chris Haworth it may well have been the red one, ex-Vernon.
but is he any good at cricket
And can he cook?
Last I heard of my old friend and clubmate Peter "Chopper" Siddall was that he was living happily with his second wife in Fowey, and was sailing a Sigma or Rival or some such boat. I've got lots of old super 8 cine film from the 70s which I've recently had digitised, and Pete and Vernons' antics feature often. Happy days.
> the 505 'in the UK' has struggled in recent years in the face of the 'new class' skiffs.
Ah but the 5000 was a great concept and without that the 49er would not have happened. The probelm was that Phil Morrisin and Dave Clark designed a good boat with the weight equalisation being a great idea. Proved very interesting when we were getting 60+ baots to international events prior to 1998 as the small guys did well in the breeze and struggled more in light conditions as their skills had been consentrated on their weaknesses prior to joining the class. The unfortunate problem was that Tim Coventry and his management team lowered the material specification and added in excess of 30 kg to the boats weight. Originally it was designed to come in at 80kg. Now at that weigt with modern rig, foils and carbon wings, youd have a beast. Alas corporate boats are driven by marketing and become stayed and so do not last unless the class takes control and drives it.
Some spelling errors!! and it was Derrick Clark and Phil Morrison. Wikipedia shows it as just Phil Morrison!
Not many 'Skiffy' classes above the 505 in the nationals attendance tables on Y&Y http://www.yachtsandyachting.com/classes/?s=44.
well Pete held the fort in Sydney for a while 41 in the last innings - Peter (Frampton) and I cannot resist asking what the latest score is - the Ozzies dont like it up em!
When did Pete become an Australian?
"the 505 'in the UK' has struggled in recent years "
Quite right Barnsie. Had the pleasure of sailing with some of the greats. Derek Farrant, Larry (Skid) Marks and Marcell Buffet, the French world champion to name a few. Great boats with a real party atmosphere.
> Ah but the 5000 was a great concept and without that the 49er would not have happened.
Now now Jim. The 49er was developed by Julian and did have its origins in the development program that he and his father were following. However, without the 5000 opening the eyes of the ISAF to the concept of mass racing in skiffs and Julian being at Garda (sailing Loony Tunes)to pick up on the attraction/enthusiasm for this type of sailing and seeing how Paul (Henderson) wanted a boat of its type in the Olympics,the 49er may not have been desigined in 1996 but possibly at a much later date. They actually finished the prototype and the selection regatta at Garda.
This discussion brings back some fun memories from the Garda selection trials for the high performance dinghy. Laser and Topper were there with full works teams, the Budgens in the 5-toner and Jon Turner/Richard Parslow in the ‘Buss’ if memory serves correct. There were a series of short races with all the prospective classes on the same line. Julian Bethwaite in the 49er simply disappeared up the track and did a horizon job. I don’t think anyone had anticipated such a gulf in performance and the Laser and Topper teams were left looking rather despondent. Rumours went round that the 49er would be un-sailable in the hands of mere mortals so Julian took it out single handed, 3 sail gybing past the crowded shore line in about 20 knots – that pretty much killed off any criticism although Phil Morrison suggested there might be a problem with wind chill caused by the 49er’s exceptional speed and he couldn’t see where to store the sandwiches. In a last ditch effort to impress, JT and Richard took the Buss out for a spin when the breeze was hitting high 20’s and took the rig out of the boat, although Richard creatively blamed it on clipping a passing windsurfer!
Having to think hard now...was it you Tim sailing in the B14 there?
Indeed it was!
The 49'er development including the ISAF HPOD trials, etc. are described at length, from the Bethwaite perspective, in Frank's second book, "Higher Performance Sailing". They describe the whispering of how unsailable the boat was, perfectly reproduced by Tim earlier. A good story of good design and design to meet specification.
I don't think though FBs memory isn't completely reliable when it comes to dates in that chapter. After rereading it last night I went back and found some rec.boats.racing posts from that era and I reckon his statements about how early boats were sailing in the UK are a little exaggerated. But the trials results weren't a big suprise to those of us who had antipodean contacts: the Australians *AND* New Zealanders were about twenty years ahead at the time... FB has a definite tendency to be excessively Sydney centric.
> It is quite possible that a lightweight 'specialist 5000'(rather than the bullet proof boat for all that it became)
Gentlemen. if I may make one small correction. Topper sent the Boss, not the Buzz The buzz being a smaller version of the ISO with only a single wire. The Boss twin wire with scaffolding on the sides.
Indeed it was the Boss in Garda, but it was quickly nicknamed the Bus, much in the same way as the Iso became known as the Eyesore by those of a playful disposition.
Forgot the B14 was there. Yes would have been interesting to see Julian single handing the prototype. Remember doing the first 49er GBR qualification HISC weekend with John Derbyshire in a rib. We ended towing some house hold names of the time off the bar as the ebb tide and wind made the trip in near impossible. On the day, the I14 guys had fitted jammers as Will Henderson will remember and the Budgies cleaned up. Sadly I was no longer able to participate as my lower back had given up the ghost, but JC and I had a very good weekend and JC learnt alot about the boats. On another note, it was Sparky's first weekend on the team. He sent Hugh Stiles out ofr his first full on trip in the RYA Tornado in the bay. Bits came back. I think both also learnt a lot that day.
Dougal, many forget Derek's depth of input and the records should be set straight to so as such as Phil currently gets all the credit on the net. Still think a down to weight 5000 would have given the 49er a run for its money. Only problem with the hull shape, having sailed all of them was the aft planning area could have been flatter and chines more pronounced. Could sail the 5000 in near impossible winds unlike the Boss and ISO which were nightmares. The best of the bunch has turned out to be the B14, also another Julian design.
I recall hearing murmurs that Phil was disappointed about the weight of the 5000 as built in production, that he had designed it to be built of other materials than used, and to be a lot lighter. Also if I recall correctly the B14 went through a chequered career before it was named the B14, I think it's original name was Exocet or similar, and went through a couple of lay out changes. I am sure there must be someone out there who can confirm or put me right regards the above.
David - with Barnsie and me on this discussion you have 2 people with encyclopaedic knowledge of the B14 class. You are right that the class first appeared in 87 in its current wide wing format but with a smaller rig / sail plan. Julian put on a demo for the 505 faithful attending the Worlds in Sydney in Jan 88 and as a consequence the Japanese took up distribution rights as did Storrar & Bax who imported a batch of boats. It was launched as the Exocet, although quickly renamed Extrovert due to Falklands sensitivities, but really didn't catch on as it was so alien to the current genre of dinghies. Subsequently, David Peacock at Rondars took on production and Europeanised it with narrow wings, single trapeze and larger genoa and the class started to attract some attention. However, it wasn't until 96 when the class reverted to the original wide wing spec with a modern sail plan and LDC took on promotion that it started to become an established class. The construction has developed significantly but the deck layout and hull shape are as original. Now with carbon mast and wings it is a very refined boat and a truly sensational sailing experience.
I can only back up Tim's comments and when the weight (4x2.2 kg) is removed from the wing out ends in 2013, we'll have unleashed a beast. Once the carbon wings are correctly set in the boat, they are near bomb proof as our boat has shown after initial teething problems. Like a Merlin on steroids.