Hum thought I knew the rules ( inside 3 boat lengths) So am clear rounding a windmark to port you can't come in on port and bang a tack in front of a starboard boat making that boat have to avoid you But if the course is a starboard round windward mark what are the rules if a starboard boat come in, can that boat tack in front of a port boat and be ok even if the port boat has to avoid it Also in this particular incidence the protesting boat waited until he saw the offending party hadn't done his turns then shouted protest. Is this ok Not me in this situation but interested in views
Posted: 31/01/2020 13:08:51 By: |
What a palaver! Rule 18, specifically, rule 18.3 does not apply best way to understand is to remove the mark Port has to keep clear. Rule 10 But a tacking boat has to keep clear. Rule 13 There is no problem tacking from starboard onto port in the zone provided you keep clear. Once tacked the tacking boat could stop and force the other boat to avoid. This would be ok provided it has room to do so. Rule 15 any boat who wants to protest needs to hail immediately. Rule 61.1. The reason that you cannot wait for a boat to exonerate itself (or not) is that they don’t know that they need to do it...
Posted: 31/01/2020 17:29:28 By: John Meadowcroft |
It is a tricky one, however the Starboard boat can't just tack where it wants. The trick as the port boat is to come in a little high, slow down so that the Starboard boat crosses you and then duck his transom. As the Starboard boat is the right of way boat he could force you to tack if you are crossing ahead, but if you are taking avoiding action around their stern then they are not able to throw in a tack to keep ahead of you.
Posted: 31/01/2020 18:45:59 By: Stuart Bates |
Ok that's clear
Guess starboard round windward Mark's are uncommon
So in this case as John says it's just like tacking anywhere on the course
As long as the starboard boat completes his tack then that's ok
It's just somebody coming in on port that cant tack making starboard boat avoid
Posted: 31/01/2020 19:57:38 By: Logan |
This is why team racing has starboard hand rounding. The rules are very interesting and when two boats arrive at the mark close to each other neither has a clear advantage and both can manipulate the situation to slow the other. In the situation above where the port tack boat is looking to duck the starboard one, the starboard tack boat can slow down, and certainly in team racing there is no obligation on the starboard tack boat to tack onto port promptly after passing the mark.
Posted: 31/01/2020 22:56:46 By: Andrew Mills |
Very interesting Still learning after all these years Think quite a misunderstood rule. As previously I thought (wrongly) whatever tack you were on within 3 boat lengths the rules were different when tacking in front of a boat Thinking this was to avoid big slam tacks right in front of people
Posted: 01/02/2020 06:06:05 By: Logan |
Colin
Until this iteration of the rules you were correct.
The other point to bear in mind, when tacking in the zone on a port rounding, making the starboard boat avoid is fine as long as
1. You have completed your tack rule 13
2. They do or have to go above close hauled. Rule 18.3
3. If they go to leeward, you are able to give them room at the Mark.
This seems to be a very misunderstood rule.
Of course when someone tacks in front of me in the zone and I have to avoid, the jib always flaps.
Tricky team racer
Posted: 03/02/2020 08:07:25 By: Tricky team racer |
Colin
Until this iteration of the rules you were correct.
The other point to bear in mind, when tacking in the zone on a port rounding, making the starboard boat avoid is fine as long as
1. You have completed your tack rule 13
2. They do or have to go above close hauled. Rule 18.3
3. If they go to leeward, you are able to give them room at the Mark.
This seems to be a very misunderstood rule.
Of course when someone tacks in front of me in the zone and I have to avoid, the jib always flaps.
Tricky team racer
Posted: 03/02/2020 11:25:28 By: Tricky team racer |
However, if you are coming in on port to a crowded port-hand rounding, the logic of this is that you can either tack below the line of starboard tackers if they are all sufficiently above the lay-line that they do not have to go above close-hauled to avoid you (unlikely in a Merlin fleet) or you cross and tack sufficiently above them to be able to give room at the mark. Your rights close to the mark on port are slight.
Posted: 07/02/2020 13:43:44 By: Andrew Mills |