Does anyone use the 'open' pole clips on the mast (see link) rather than the ones with the latch that you have to release? http://www.sail-sport.com/products/JHHA..31.jpg |
I guess the question is "How much hassle will it feel like when the pole pops of and smashes one of you in the face?" |
The ally poles on 'Who's A Pretty Boy' are open ended. |
p.s. Lookind at the part you show, it looks like a plastic Jib Stick end, and whilst the presure in most of the time towards the mast so not directly on the jaw end, I'm not sure that that clip would take the presure of a big spin in an abnormal situation (like a capsize)or a bumpy sea. |
I find it hard to believe that not having a latch is even a viable option. When I've had a pole with a dodgy piston it jumps off, let alone without having one at all! |
Mags, for your crews sake fit carbon poles they are so much easier to use, this is the one item that there is an immediate advantage in using carbon less weight to waggle about. |
Not only easier for crews but also kinder to helms when the crew gets violent with the pole (or helm!). |
Richard T describes the modern concensus, it does work well but under extreem conditions and even with new plunger type ends, the pole can still detach itself (things have to be extreem). Dan Alsop advises that if the area under the eye on the mast is reduced then the pole cannot twist and does not release. I keep meaning to do this mod!! |
I've had this problem in the past too, but we (Tom!) found that the thing to do was to use the Z-spars pole ends. I don't know, but they are probably the most expensive so I guess it depends on the amount of abuse/use you are intending they get. Otherwise it might be best just to buy the cheaper ones and you may never have a problem, and just replace the naughty one as and when you do. |
In response to Max Headroom. What is the difference in weight between Carbon and Aluminium poles? |
Ex fittings, Carbon pole 30% that of Ali. |
The difference in weight is magnified many times when you are trying to put the pole on with the spinny flapping about, at that point the crew needs all the help available. Chris is right get the best pole fitting that you can, anything else is false economy, and hurts ! |
Uncontrollably flying off poles also have a nasty habit of going through mylar mainsails. This can have a negative impact on the owner's temperament! |
Pair of carbon poles - £200 |
Has Chris Martin still got some carbon poles for sale? I'm sure he didn't want 200 quids |
I used to have the open pole ends (jib stick fittings) with the old 6ft poles and they worked OK but with the longer poles you will have the poles fall off the mast unless you have plunger fittings - there's just more compressive force & a pole pinging back, particularly an alloy one, is potentially quite dangerous - go with the pistons with a collar fitting close to the end to release. Julian Parry was selling pairs of carbon poles fitted for £170ish a couple of years ago, might be worth contacting him if you can afford it, after using carbon poles I wouldn't go back & his ones are pretty robust |
Mags - am reminded of that old joke about "Piston broke?" "Shertainly am guv!!" but seems nowadays only if you get carbon. |
What's the best way to prevent pole triggers becoming stuck (open)? And how can you fix it if it starts happening regularly? |
Wash out the salt and grit. Try some lube WB40 or Silicon. But if it is wear and tear it is easier to replace, at about £8.00 each it isn't a lot. |
*WD40 |
30% weight saving. My wife thinks a few evenings on the exercise bike might help. less hiking power though! |
I am not sure that carbon poles make that much difference. |
Worth remembering the reason why piston ends are properly used uypside down is-if the pole gets out of control and up the mast as it were! One can still get the thing off! If using opens hooks a bit of diagonaly cut plastICE HOSE TAPED ROUND CAN PREVENT AccIDENTAL UNHOOKs. |
If things are so out of control the pole is up the mast, about two seconds later the mast is in the water isn't it? From the swimming position it makes little difference as to which way up it is. |
Yes it does, Our pseudonymed friend has a good point here. |
Use rubber pins in the ends ,they dont rot or stick and are very light .WHICKED ! Stainless what got stuck where? |
Beware sand or grit sticking to the WD40 or any other lube, its the grit/sand that causes the problem, last set lasted 3/4 years of very heavy use without any problem at all, and they are still going strong. |
RAP IT IN LAGGING IF ITS TOO LOUD |
Dont forget your ear plugs and bulls**t deflectors when sailing , very quiet indeed. |
Cheers for all the advice. Reckon 25mm ally pole will be thick enough for the new long poles? My old ones were only 25mm but quite alot shorter! |
Stick a double block on mast ring with leads to the back of the thwart from pole ends, mix in a taste of shockcord add a dash of pole end bushes and there you have it a buget twin fly away that works. |
do you guys find that carbon poles snap a lot in windy conditions? Almost Every one in the scorpions use alu poles as in windy conditions we seem to snap carbon poles.Really easily |
A lot of people have snapped the ends off single poles catching them on the puller wire in a tack. Otherwise, the twin poles have been very successful and robust. Use with knots not marks tho for exactly that reason, you will snap the pole if it bends round the jib halliard. 25mm 1" is not thick enough - though doesnt generally break it bends alarmingly and 32mm is the preferred diameter, much stiffer. The load on a twin pole is all in compression as the fittings are at the outboard end so as long as the pole stays straight it wont break. |
The Fifteens are worried about this, I think they are considering some sort of pad where the pole hits the jib wire. |
Golden Rule, keep pole off the forestay! Our pole last broke against the shroud in a 9/10 for style windward pile in at Warsash. Can't really blame the pole for that though, if you were bent backwards around a thin steel bar at about 20 knots, you might show some signs of wear as well!! |
...so don't let it hit the jib wire. Put your knot in the spinny sheet to hold the pole at least a couple of inches clear of it & tie the spinny on with a bit of a tail to it to shorten the sheet even more when it's honking |
I've never broken a carbon pole and we do capsise! I think it depends whose you buy - I think I'm correct in saying that the P&B ones have some fibreglass in as well - may be slightly heavier, but the don't break! |