SSR is for yachts/boats that normally get there on their own bottoms. There was a limit of being +7m to be registered which puts you out of class! When trailed the boat becomes just a trailer.

"Hi,\r\n\r\nJudith has e-mailed me about this this morning and the latest situation is that I am waiting for confirmation from the RYA about whether it is definitely needed or not. \r\n\r\nFrom personal experience it has never been required and a measurement certificate to prove ownership is sufficient - although having taken an rs800 to both France and Italy before we didn't even have that and it still wasn't an issue. You will need a copy of your insurance certificate though.\r\n\r\nAs soon as I know for sure either way I'll make sure it's posted both here and the event website. Or if you would rather have the peace of mind then there is a link in the previous post to apply for one online and you will definitely be covered.\r\n\r\nTom"

"A bit more info... I had a chat with the RYA legal team yesterday, only a brief one though as i'm not a member. The general upshot is that it is not compulsory but there is the potential for documents to be checked in which case it would be useful.\r\n\r\nI'm away next week but will contact Carnac and see what else I can find out the following week - this should still give anyone time to get one if necessary.\r\n\r\nP.S. Douglas - I only mentioned the insurance documents as I can still remember trying to get it all sorted at La Rochelle in 2005 as well!"

"Jude,\r\n\r\nLéonie is asking me to help, but I've never even heard of this cert. When were you asked to produce it,- at the sailing event or at customs?"

Hi,

Judith has e-mailed me about this this morning and the latest situation is that I am waiting for confirmation from the RYA about whether it is definitely needed or not. 

From personal experience it has never been required and a measurement certificate to prove ownership is sufficient - although having taken an rs800 to both France and Italy before we didn't even have that and it still wasn't an issue. You will need a copy of your insurance certificate though.

As soon as I know for sure either way I'll make sure it's posted both here and the event website. Or if you would rather have the peace of mind then there is a link in the previous post to apply for one online and you will definitely be covered.

Tom

We took an RS200 to the Europeans at Carnac in 2009 and this issue never even came up. The same with Garda the year before.

However you should most certainly take your certificate of insurance. At La Rochelle in 2005, the OA was insistent, and the class had to organise a mass faxing from insurers for anyone who hadn't got it with them.

"Just a thought as we are a national class going to Carnac and many people will not have taken their boats to the continent before - when we went to St Malo several years ago now, we had to get a Small Ships Register registration through the Maritime and Coastguard Agency to be able to take the boat to France.  \r\n\r\nI've just rung them again and this is still relevant as you might get fined if you don't have the appropriate papers for taking the boat in to France.  It's £25 and you can do it online here\r\nhttp://www.dft.gov.uk/mca/mcga07-home/shipsandcargoes/mcga-ukshipregister.htm\r\n\r\nBest to get on the case as it takes about 2 weeks to come through!\r\n\r\nLooking forward to seeing everyone there!"

Thanks for comments - we definitely had to show our SSR when we went to St Malo so very interested to hear the outcome of your investigations Tom

Just a thought as we are a national class going to Carnac and many people will not have taken their boats to the continent before - when we went to St Malo several years ago now, we had to get a Small Ships Register registration through the Maritime and Coastguard Agency to be able to take the boat to France.  

I've just rung them again and this is still relevant as you might get fined if you don't have the appropriate papers for taking the boat in to France.  It's £25 and you can do it online here
http://www.dft.gov.uk/mca/mcga07-home/shipsandcargoes/mcga-ukshipregister.htm

Best to get on the case as it takes about 2 weeks to come through!

Looking forward to seeing everyone there!

Thanks for comments - we definitely had to show our SSR when we went to St Malo so very interested to hear the outcome of your investigations Tom

"We took an RS200 to the Europeans at Carnac in 2009 and this issue never even came up. The same with Garda the year before.\r\n\r\nHowever you should most certainly take your certificate of insurance. At La Rochelle in 2005, the OA was insistent, and the class had to organise a mass faxing from insurers for anyone who hadn't got it with them."

"Seems to me if all the time spent saying it is unnecessary was spent just getting the SSCR ant problem real or not would be overcome! I recall a problem when five of us in 1971 with FD's were held up by the French at Cherbourg. By and large the French are helpful but when they are not well it is just not funny! I go in and out of France a lot and we always take The original Boats Certificate Ditto Insurance, trailer plate documentation etc.\r\nJudith is quite right."

In which case you'll need to comply with the EEC Trailer regs!\r\nAnd have the paperwork.

Seems to me if all the time spent saying it is unnecessary was spent just getting the SSCR ant problem real or not would be overcome! I recall a problem when five of us in 1971 with FD's were held up by the French at Cherbourg. By and large the French are helpful but when they are not well it is just not funny! I go in and out of France a lot and we always take The original Boats Certificate Ditto Insurance, trailer plate documentation etc.
Judith is quite right.

A bit more info... I had a chat with the RYA legal team yesterday, only a brief one though as i'm not a member. The general upshot is that it is not compulsory but there is the potential for documents to be checked in which case it would be useful.

I'm away next week but will contact Carnac and see what else I can find out the following week - this should still give anyone time to get one if necessary.

P.S. Douglas - I only mentioned the insurance documents as I can still remember trying to get it all sorted at La Rochelle in 2005 as well!

Jude,

Léonie is asking me to help, but I've never even heard of this cert. When were you asked to produce it,- at the sailing event or at customs?

SSR is for yachts/boats that normally get there on their own bottoms. There was a limit of being +7m to be registered which puts you out of class! When trailed the boat becomes just a trailer.

In which case you'll need to comply with the EEC Trailer regs!
And have the paperwork.

The view from Carnac YC:

'In principle the boats simply have to be within whatever rules apply in their country of origin, and not be sold in France. Only French boats need their log book; we have never had any trouble. I hope this answers your question'

I think legally you will always be advised to have proof of the boats country of origin, of which the SSR is one. Practically speaking the chances of being asked for this are very slim and it's not an issue as far as Carnac are concerned.

Personally I wouldn't worry about it but if you want to get one then it won't hurt.

Tom

"The view from Carnac YC:\r\n\r\n'In principle the boats simply have to be within whatever rules apply in their country of origin, and not be sold in France. Only French boats need their log book; we have never had any trouble. I hope this answers your question'\r\n\r\nI think legally you will always be advised to have proof of the boats country of origin, of which the SSR is one. Practically speaking the chances of being asked for this are very slim and it's not an issue as far as Carnac are concerned.\r\n\r\nPersonally I wouldn't worry about it but if you want to get one then it won't hurt.\r\n\r\nTom"