Probably not the end - but some of you will know by now that there is a proposal for a large development in the filter beds just upstream of our Club. Included in the proposals are commercial residential moorings, pontoons and landing stages. It is like building on common land that is used by the public as far as I can see! So we need support from anyone who cares about sailing on the Thames. We now have 20 Merlins at TSC and growing. (to be fair a lot are being refirbed at the moment) We are getting 8 - 12 on the water regularly which is brilliant. I will post a copy of a letter that will be sent to Lord Coe shortly when the draft has been approved which will give a lot more background. http://maps.kingston.gov.uk/isis_main/ImageViewer/Image_Menu.aspx?strSystem=DC&strFCASENO=11/16502&strHeader=Y&strCaseNo=1116502 |
We at Ranelagh feel your pain. Now hopeful that an 80 metre pier will not be built out into the river by Thames Water for the sewage tunnel but recently learned that Fulham FC want to double the size of their riverside stand! |
Stuart - Have you talked to people at Ranelagh? I don't know the exact details but I think they won a case against Fulham Football Ground and the evil Al Fayed (I should know I used to work at Harrods). Fulham were trying to increase the height of the stand on the riverside and Ranelagh proved they had been there longer and that it would affect the wind. Perhaps this is a test case. |
Sorry posted that too late - Apologies. |
We must use that argument at TVSC - we've been here longer than the trees, so we have every right to cut them down! |
just send an objection email - it will all help |
Fulham did get permission to build a new stadium with certain conditions but never went ahead with it. They now want to just increase the size of the riverside stand which will affect us but not the local residents so much. We have a meeting arranged with their architects to see how we can amend their designs to cut down the wind disruption. |
Melanie Hardman at Thames Sailing Club is asking that you write to the Royal Borough of Kingston-on-Thames objecting to this desecration of the River Thames at Surbiton. In your letter refer to Planning Application Number 11/16502, the address is - Develop Management, Royal Borough of Kingston upon Thames, Guidhall 2, Kingston upon Thames, Surrey, KT1 1EU |
Have you spoken to the RYA ... isn't this exactly what they're supposed to help out with? |
We have contacted the RYA and their position is that they are the body that supports both power boating and sailing. The creation of the new marina will give more facilities for berthing power boats therefore they will not support Thames Sailing Club as the power boat lobby has a stronger influence within the RYA. |
I recently rejoined the RYA after many years away from active sailing. I'm strongly inclined to cancel my membership forthwith. |
Is it worth getting a press release onto the Y&Y site? Sounds like this needs a wider forum that the Merlin Rocket site? |
I think David Greening's right, better to stay a member and do as he suggests. Probably more effective than stamping my feet and leaving in a huff. |
The Chairman of the RYA, Richard Langford OBE, is a windsurfer. Mmmm..... |
And Michael Shefras MBE Chairman of the Thames Valley Region of the RYA owns 12 metre Broom powerboat on the Thames! |
If the motorboat lobby are stronger, let's change the title to the Royal Motorboating Club, and let's then create a new Royal YACHTING Association. I know where I will transfer my 26 year membership from and to.... |
You can email through your objection to: [email protected], quote the planning number which is 11/16502. It MUST BE RECEIVED by Friday 11th November (Yes this Friday). I have more details on the best areas to focus any objection on, but don't want to disclosure in a public arena in case anyone I don't want to know is listening. |
George Crowe, (Regional Planning & Environmental Co-ordinator RYA Thames Valley Region) |
From the discussions I attended I was shocked (oh so naïve) that/when the RYA had no interest whatsoever in defending the interests of sailing at Thames Sailing Club. It was very clear to me/all that the majority of RYA funds in the area come from motorboats and as such we had no voice and they’d no ears. |
Hope this works guys, template objection letter in the link below http://gallery.mailchimp.com/35dafacb5d40176d9dd2461bd/files/Template_Objection_for_Filter_Bed_Development.doc |
Will write to RYA and Kingston on behalf of myself & Ranelagh supporting your case. |
Letter sent and yes disappointed in RYA |
HUGE Thanks to everyone for the support. |
Sorry, very remiss of me, thank you also to Amanda Tosh for suggesting the template letter - THANK YOU |
Deadline is Friday I understand. http://www.merlinrocket.co.uk/misc/Draft Letter to Lord Coe.pdf |
We just made Sailing Anarchy http://www.sailinganarchy.com/index_page1.php |
This year’s RYA AGM will be held on 23 November 2011 at 1600 at: |
I can sort of see the RYAs point. They are there to support all boat users and they are a lot more powerful as a result of that. A sailing only organisation would have a lot less influence. And without doubt there are an awful lot more places to sail around South East London than there are places to cruise around in motorboats. |
Jim, its easy to post an e-mail off the Sailing Anarchy link |
As there are about 90 new moorings inside the development for the motor boat brigade, there is a huge benefit for them. It is the commercial residential moorings and the pontoons that restrict our water. |
Furthermore, it is the combination of the proposed residential moorings, the restrictions caused by the punting ledge, the proposed lock together with an adjacent to landing stage, for craft of up to thirty meters long, that make this a disaster waiting to happen. |
To add to what 'fribbs' has written the lock as shown in the drawings at 45 degrees to the River. Motor cruisers coming from upriver which wish to enter the lock will have to turn through 135 degrees and straighten up to enter the lock. I'm an RYA Day Skipper and am familiar with handling a 36ft yacht under engine, unless it has a bow thruster a 10 metre motor cruiser won't turn on a sixpence. It would need to leave the right side of the river where it should be and interfere with other river users. There would be similar interference by boats leaving the lock to go upriver. |
Letter emailed today. |
We made Y&Y too, thank you Mags. http://www.yachtsandyachting.com/news/?article=160355 |
This seems outrageous! My Club, Midland SC was faced with the proposal to build a block of four storey flats at the water's edge a few years ago that was fortunately not pursued by the developers. Had it been, Edgbaston Reservoir would have become a very unattractive place to sail. Had we needed to defend ourselves against this monstrous intrusion I would have expected unconditional RYA support, and believe Thames should be able to expect that too - see the RYA Manifesto! |
PS. I've formally objected via the local planning authority web site, and logged a stiff enquiry via the RYA web site. I urge all RYA members to do the same via "Contact Us". |
Done my bit yesterday and lodged a formal objection. Good luck. |
All: |
Due to the timing of the proposed application this posting will start to draw to a close (I hope that is not a contradiction!). So, it is at this point and in response to the support shown on this forum that I wish to congratulate the team heading up this campaign for many reasons but their energy, focus and resourcefulness in particular. My main point is to refer to our campaigners; Fribbs and the Gurn should be relatively well known on this forum but Mel is a co owner of a Proc 9b and Chris, who signed off as Rater Captain owns 2 merlins that I know of! Thus, their appeal for your assistance is entirely appropriate and the response of MROA members has been both rewarding and encouraging. Thanks to those posting and all of those responding. |
Emailed letter to Kingston Council last night and received an acknowledgement email this morning. Good luck Thames. |
As another thing to consider, it mightbe as well to "remind" Kingston Council of the history of the Royal Canoe club, just up the river where its more built up. The RCC was originally at least as much a Canoe sailing and racing club as it was a paddling club. However as the area got built up (and admittedly as the racing Canoes got more extreme) at some time in the 1930s the Canoe sailors admitted defeat and abandoned the Thames. So their is historical precedent in the borough for the sort of unhappy outcome that's being predicted: its not just a guess. |