We have now had 25 entries from 14 different clubs, including Kate & 12 Vintage . Please try and get your entries and food requirements in early. http://www.ranelagh-sc.co.uk/Images/kpool.jpg |
Nick, |
It would be great to see these boats kick-start the Tideway weekend at Tammy the day before! |
Is the river wide enough? |
We can take up to 25 on the start-line (which is effectively the width of the river) as in previous years. The plan is to have flights. |
you mean wriggling like you wriggled past on Sunday? |
Quite frankly this number of entries is a bit dissapointing, surely most have decided by now whether or not they are going to attend...? |
I may be temped out of temporary retirement for such a important and historical event. |
Not disappointing. |
Okay, not dissapointing, perhaps encouraging that so many have already entered. |
Rumour has it there's a few West Country entries to come too, including ours |
Why delay, send your entry in today.... |
May even see the Kraken.....!! |
what basis will you be splitting the fleet. I have been reliably informed by Andrew (Lighterman) Harris that you won't get the fleet under the first bridge. |
Fleet will be split into groups of about 20 by sail numbers, Vintage boats going off last. Boats that classify as Vintage are determined by Mervin or the MROA and are 30 years old plus. 3065 being the oldest this year. There's a strong case that some other limit might be used in future. |
I understand that all competitiors will need to carry a kedge, what is the recommended length of line one of these should be attached to...? |
We originally were asking for 60 ft but on reflection, 30 ft should be ample as the river is quite shallow at low tide. Towing warp should also be carried but could double up in terms of usage as long as you don't throw your kedge at the boat offering you a tow! |
is there a date by which time we must have entered? |
Not as such but if we are restricted in numbers by the PLA it will be first come, first served. |
OK I'm off my backside, Entry form going in post tonight. |
Good to hear Chris |
And ours is being posted after the fun in Scotland. |
Our entry is in the post today |
Don't forget to make a weekend of it and enter for the Tamesis Silver Tiller while you're at it... |
http://www.merlinrocket.co.uk/clubs_events/view_event.asp?id=187 |
. http://www.merlinrocket.co.uk/clubs_events/view_event.asp?id=187 |
How do you do that....? |
Type into "Link (optional)" box and it appears magically as a link. Type link in here (this isn't a link though!) |
... Bingo |
Just occured to me, any danger of getting any loose few volts down the stick under any of these bridges? |
Advice from river locals wanted. |
Only if you like your transom! |
Lifting rudder is for the same reason as at Salcombe. Once you are out in the middle of the stream you won't hit the bottom but if things go wrong you can potentially snag various bits and pieces in the water, mooring lines both present and past, dead animals, humans, seagulls etc. I have survived a number of Salcombe weeks with a fixed rudder and if I am able to race the Tideway would probably use it there as my lifting rudder is so manky. |
As we will be sailing around low water you may notice the river is no longer constrained by the concrete of London and reverts to a channel which is flanked by stoney beaches on either side. In this respect there are likely to be; banks, bars and obstructions (shopping trollies etc...)just like any other shoreline. |
Sparky, |
there's no secrets in this fleet are there! |
Remember that on this race you will always have the tide under you so sticking in the deep bit will pay |
Really......stop stop you are giving away all our secrets! |
including forum pseudonyms oh sarky Mr Dobby? |
We'll never let on about the secret of Putney Bridge.... |
I must be getting serious. |
What is the norm? mine with Bishop Skinner is for 3 million 3rd party. Be interested to hear from others. I assumed that was normal. |
Guess again Dr Mills.... |
Mine is with Craftinsure and i am pretty sure it is a mere £2M. Did not think more than that was ever required? |
Mine is for £3million with Bishop Skinner. I had more of a problem with a well known mirror insurer as their standard was £2million but our club requires £3M if racing |
Oh! Just checked my policy with Noble Marine it is for �2M. |
We've just been working on the Sailing Instructions to send to the PLA and amended it to £2 million. |
Is it possible that it is a misprint in the sailing requirements as most policies seem to be for £2M - I hope the barge that hits me will be well covered!!! |
Beat me to it!! |
Would anyone be available to take some video footage of this event? At Ranelagh for the start and finish as well as at the tuning mark on the Westminster side of Lambeth Bridge. I have a camera that could be used. Still photos would also be good. Please email me if you are interested. |
Just out of interest - how are numbers coming along now please? I there will hope fully be a load of merlins! |
Haven't seen the post today but 47 as of yesterday. 21 different clubs with Forfar being the furthest away. Well done Garry! |
I would reply to this but have set off aready!! |
Great to see you've entered for Tammy ST & party too Gary! http://www.merlinrocket.co.uk/clubs_events/view_event.asp?id=187 |
Hmmm, being still unsure about entering, I suppose videoing the event might still be fun for me. |
Mags, |
2 more entries sent out in the post last night, it must be north of 50 now. Let’s try and get this one into the history books. Salcombestart.com/carnage |
My recollection of this is that carnage is much more likely at Putney Bridge than on the start line and the interest factor is much increased by the 3 kts of tide under the boat and the fact that a Merlin mast will only just fit under the centre of the arch and not at all at the sides. The bridge comes up on you very quickly... |
Who will be trying to sneak round the sides, heeled over at 45degress then? Garry will, with his rolled side decks! |
There be monsters.. |
so an original 25ft mast might cause some entertainment - even with rolled decks? I think John with no. 36 is thinking about it. |
I remember doing it in 'Crew Cut' 684 - my very first Merlin Rocket, |
Thanks, Pat. I have booked to come with Iska no. 6, she has a 22ft 6 rig. I think Mervyn's Kate is 24 ft perhaps he could do a test one day beforehand! |
My boat 111 has had the rig lopped to 21'6" - was this as a result of going under Putney bridge (or more likely NOT going under Putney bridge) Doesn't sound as if I will need to heel!! |
It used to be said that if you got under Putney you'd get under all the others! However lots of people proved that wrong! |
Mervyn will probably be leading the fleet anyway so if he crunches we can head back to base!! |
Fleets will be arranged by sail numbers with the vintage/older boats at the back. Don't want to risk all those valuable old boats if the leaders have problems:) |
I don't know how long it takes tide born without wind, but I do know that the Late - Great - Sir Alan - A. P. Herbert (Patron Saint of Lost Causes and Grandfather of Jeremy Pudney!) Who was M.P. for Oxford University (In the Days the two Universities elected their own M.P's - Up to 1951.) once swam down tide from his house on Hammersmith Terrace (Quite close To the present London Corinthian building.) to the House of Commons it can't have taken too long! |
Herbert by name.... |
If you'd done as much as APH..................... Those of us with ex-wive have good reason to be grateful to APH as he put through the first sensible divorce laws as a private members bill, he also shamed the LCC as it then was into providing the London Corinthian with a new clubhouse (circa 1960) and very grand it still is, when it was evicted to make way for the Hammersnoth Flyover. |
Swimming the Thames from Hammersmith to Westminster Bridge is sheer folly... |
Yes but not dull! Remember in those days 1930's the River was if not cleaner, less polluted. |
The Thames Sailors Ballad. |
I'm not sure there is much pleasure to be had swimming in rivers such as the Thames, either with or against the tide. Chairman Mao once swam 38 kilometres in the Yangste. In A P Herbert's time it wasn't so much a question of swimming, more like going though the motions.Of course when he got to the House of Commons there would be more motions to go through. |
I beg to disagree with A.G. about the condition of the River in the 1930s. My grandfather was a Thames Waterman and a tug skipper then and used to tell us about the terrible state of the River. Huge colonies of rats were his biggest fear. |
APH did swim it there's a picture in the House of Commons Library. |
One other thing. For those with Broad Band www.britshpathe.com, (Former Merlin Crew Billy Allen was a Pathe Cameraman.) there is some footage of the first Tideway Race run as the final event of The City of London Festival in 1961. Both Grey Goose and AG sat that out watching the sea in a gale at Whitstable! |
They had so much fun in the Mansion House. One of the most frustrating days of my life. |
P.S. It was won by Robin Fowler of Minima Y C in his home built Solo |
Lollipop was given to Ranelagh by Robin and is still sailed regularly at Putney. We're up to 53 entries now, more come in every day and we can take up to 90. http://www.merlinrocket.co.uk/build_up/list_entrants.asp?majorevent=3 |
Come on the oldies!! More of the 3 and early numbered 4 figure boats to redress the balance in our favour!!! |
Will we need ship to shore? http://uk.download.yahoo.com/pr/fu/oa/montana.wmv |
58 entries now, 24 different clubs. Entries close June 4th. Sailing instructions will be emailed during the week after that to those who have supplied an email address and posted on the Ranelagh Home page. Please enter early so we can advise caterers etc. http://www.ranelagh-sc.co.uk |
Did we come to any conclusion on the insurance required for Tideway - £2million or £3million - entry still says £3 million |
sorry its probably further up this topic but to ask again is the anchor and paddle bit mandatory |
Insurance is OK at 2 million, anchor and paddle are mandatory. 30 ft Anchor line can double up as towing line. |
As the Tideway is a Vintage wing event it is comforting to us oldies that the forecast for London on 18th June is good and that the arthritis index will be 4 (out of a possible maximum 10) for the day. http://ukie.accuweather.com/adcbin/ukie/ukie_forecast_day.asp?postalcode=SW1V%201&ufdb=&metric=1&partner=&day=14 |
Is it too late to enter now then? I am still looking for a crew! Getting very close to finding one. |
Try Mags - a little arm bending would go a long way I feel!! |
I am experiencing a problem downloading the Si's from Ranelagh. Normally launches something called adobe as it did for the lovely bridge map and course. Houston, do I have a problem? |
Looks OK to me - what happens when you click the PDF link then? http://www.ranelagh-sc.co.uk/preliminary%20regs%20and%20entry.pdf |
you get a preliminary notice and an entry form. What we actually need is the SI's so we can determine whether we are an A,B or C so we know when unhitch and set up etc. |
Beg your pardon. Either way its the Ranelagh website, so email Nick Price (presume his address is on their site) and he ought to be able to help. |
The preliminary instructions are on Ranelaghs site as well but click below where it says HERE for each of the other items. left click to open, right click to download. www.ranelagh-sc.co.uk |
Hi - does anyone have a spare paddle and anchor please? |
Is it possible that anyone competing who may or may not work for a well known chandlery could arrange safety packages for us to purchase on the day. eg the anchor, paddle etc because although the anchors are cheap the postage is ridiculous and then there's always the problem of getting a paddle in the letter box! |
What a good idea!! |
In fact the club could arrange this with the supplier on a sale or return basis,and stick a quid on the package price to support the Thames lifeboat and also know that all competiors will be street legal and no-one will be turned away. How easy is that? boom boom.....as basil brush would say! |
Chas Newens are chandlers on the hard at Putney and will be open on the 18th from about 10-12am. They have a few pairs of inflatable oars which are the cheapest option as they can be spilt to make 2 paddles for abour £10 each. They will get in some grapnel anchors of 2.5kg which will retail for about £8.50 each. They also sell rope if you need it. |
Can you ask them to get in the 1.5kg plastimo, they retail at 4.95 from a well known supplier but postage is about 8 quid.that's a lot of money wasted that could go to the RNLI Thames Lifeboat. Maybe a package price would be useful, can the club organise? |
Tip - if buying towing/anchor line get something suitable to be a replacement main halyard. |
Dear Unhappy, |
Q.are you making that the minimum weight then bearing in mind your experience of these reaches? Is there a minimum wt defined in si's. It would be a dreadful pity to for a scrutineer to turn away your 1.5kilo plastimo lovely. If I were Chas Newman i would ship in 50 of your mimimum reqirement piece. at 5 quid retail, quid for vat and 50% mark up his outlay would be aboy 100 quid, heck buy 70! Whould there be any value in you consulting with the law makers, organising chas can supply 70 anchors paddles and pieces of string at a certain price, let us have his email or phone number so we can place the order. But where do I stand if I have a 1,.5 kg plastimo and boss Nick doesn't like it. Clarity and Guidance! |
No weight has been specified in the SI's. The MROA are doing the scutineering and it is up to them. http://chastheboat.co.uk/aboutframe.html |
nick, lets make this easy please.Presumably you are local and the race is run by Ranelagh, SI's are published by Ranelagh so you as Ranelagh have consulted with the MROA on this special safety kit. Please can you give us a minimum requirement that is practical and safe and will please the scrutineers. You have one guy in this tread that thinks 2.5mm spectra constitutes a towline. In order to please all completitors and safety personel, please please set out a minimum requirement. Thank you the end. |