Apparent wind

19/07/2020 20:36:47
Believe it or not I’m doing a teach in on apparent wind to our very keen ladies at wembley
 
i know this is probably a stupid question but here goes
 
im thinking the faster you go the more the apparent wind goes forward
 
sooooo
 
how come as you go faster you don’t get headed and have to point lower
 
I should know I’ve only sailed for 50 years  

19/07/2020 22:18:32
Andrew Mills
Because you don't in a Merlin going to windward.  Initially you pick up speed proportional to the true wind so there is no apparent shift if the wind speed increases slowly.  The Merlin in displacement mode has a maximum speed of just over 5 knots and will sort of plane to windward getting up to a bit over 6 knots I think as measured on GPS.  This isn't enough to push apparent wind forward that much if the true wind is say 12 knots (look at the vectors).  Even so you are sailing to a wind that is much closer than the true wind, and there is also an initial freeing and subsequent apparent heading of the wind in a gust.  Where it makes a big difference though is downwind where the apparent wind will pull forwards significantly on a broad reach even in a Merlin.  Of course in some boats (catamarans, foilers) the apparent wind is always well forward of the beam as if you are doing 20 knots on a beam reach in 20 knots of breeze you will feel ~28 knots of breeze at 45 degrees.  Also look at the mainsail sheeting angle on 18ft skiffs going as far downwind as they can - still sheeted in fairly hard with the "spinnaker" more like a large genoa in cut as apparent wind is still well forward.  Eric Twiname's book Start to Win (from the 1970's I think) has some excellent explanations as well as a lot of pictures from the Welsh Harp.

20/07/2020 05:53:45
Logan
Hum hadn’t appreciated that a Merlin going upwind is relatively slow
 
so should a Merlin be able to outpoint a foiling boat / catamaran as Merlins apparent wind isn’t that much forward  

20/07/2020 10:49:40
Matt 3494
After some re reading I find it will be illegal. Why do 40ish people get to have there rudders made legal when they failed to read the rules? Yes I can modify it, but that's besides the point. I shouldn't have to.

Anyway, here's a clearer video. 

https://photos.app.goo.gl/UQbmTQYQ2s3x3jhn7

Chris I appreciate it's hard, but that's the road that's been chosen, to modify rules through the rya. I won't get the files and epoxy out just yet...

20/07/2020 10:50:14
Matt 3494
Oops....

20/07/2020 19:22:27
Andrew Mills
Interesting point Colin.  I think Merlins do point pretty high and skiffs etc. planing to windward a bit lower.  The only boats pointing significantly higher in Eric Twiname's book are slim deep draught keelboats.  Thing is we are so seldom on the same racecourse and even when we are (e.g. Bloody Mary) the foilers are going so much faster it's impossible to make the comparison.  Rigs are presumably designed to work very close to the wind and the drag component which is so prominent looking at the physics of Merlin sailing to windward is very small indeed.

21/07/2020 12:09:26
Logan
When you see these babies go 50; knots they look like they point pretty high   Not as low as you would think given the apparent wind coming way forward
is it because the extra strength of apparent wind just powers them up more
 
sorry to dwell on this but doing a zoom session tomorrow    Urghh 
Or maybe was told recently we can bring our jib sheets in to 320 mm to the outer shell of centrecasing and guess that’s a lot closer than Foilers  and cats 

21/07/2020 16:22:24
Rousey
I found this YouTube video pretty informative - helped me understand apparent wind 

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