spinnakers - gentle warning...
So we have the protest hearing and the protest is upheld. G4 allows an appropriate time to comply. I would suggest 80 years would suffice. Sail numbers in spinnakers reduces their value. Why would you want them? Save time by using it as a standard sailing instruction. Solved!
Looking back through my photos it seems I have been out of class (together with everyone else) for at least the last 15 years, probably longer! Didn't we change the rules so that spinnaker numbers were not required years ago? Perhaps the change was not reflected in the recent rewrite. Dan A will know the answer!
oh the don't protest you'll be unpopular thing? that's a good way to allow people to cheat I'll just stick. my head in the sand. Everyone is doing it so it don't matter? I nudged a mark - it don't matter, I infringed a rule - it don't matter.
So for clarity and to avoid confusion.... Under the current rules, are we meant to have sail numbers on spinnakers?
Unfair advantage from being unidentifiable when infringing? There's an advantage. Can anyone answer Matt's question^^^? 13/02/2019 11:03:37 Matt So for clarity and to avoid confusion.... Under the current rules, are we meant to have sail numbers on spinnakers?
I have this morning e-mailed the RYA technical department to seek clarification on this issue. I will report back to the committee and membership in due course.
I am not at all sure why the issue of whether or not we require spinnaker numbers has now become a matter of such immediate importance, is apparently a critical indication of the level of sportsmanship within our class and justifies unattributable, unverifiable accusations of gross misconduct on a public forum without any apparent accountability. I cannot answer Matt or Scam's queries as I am merely an MROA member. However, for the avoidance of doubt, I will not be displaying spinnaker numbers unless specifically directed by the MROA or RYA. If you feel that I am cheating, please also feel free to protest me. Expect me to want to discuss this with you in the bar afterwards. I don't think you will have any trouble identifying me. I am sure that our Chairman and Committee Members have more important issues to give their life muted time to.
Sorry, "life muted" should read, "limited"
pastingMerlin class rules G2.2. Sails shall comply with these class rules.
Tim, that was going to be my response. But I hesitated because the class rules are Open. So as it is not prohibited then the RRS apply?? So G2 would be in? Seems like it needs a tidy.... Personally I'd like the sail measurers to be tidied so an IHC loft can measure. It's one sentence and means that it's easier to get sails measured ( although I would be checking with the RYA about the spinnaker numbers!). To be honest, I attended a sail measurers course recently to update my IHC status. The topic of numbers on dinghies and dinghy spinnaker numbers did come up (actually it was quite a long section). The chap Rob from the RYA was pretty clear that Spinnakers should have numbers unless the class rules specify otherwise. We didn't do any specific classes, their point being that the boat is irrelevant it is the RRS and class rules that are, so couldn't clarify the Merlin rule, I'll ask Rob when I'm at the dinghy show. Mr Geek. It doesn't really matter who you are. Paid member or not. The point is sort of valid as it is an RRS / class rule. I have seen one boat change helms over night and win a silver tiller, likewise at another silver tiller a newbie was warned that changing helms would disqualify them. No one protested why? Scared that protesting the old school would disbar them from being welcome at open meetings. Pack mentality is fine, I have no issues with it. But broadcasting that protesting will turn you into a pariah that won't be welcome doesn't do the fleet any good. Discussion about why it's like that and what needs to happen to clarify the situation. I sort of agree with the sentiment that we are self policing so it is up-to us to ensure we are legal. Not just on the race course but also on certificate.
Mark B (the plus one)
Running short of popcorn. Can anyone advise? MR 3784 Lyndhurst SO43 7AR 50.8726North 1.5778West
Further to the above, there are several World Sailing (ISAF) classes, including the Musto Skiff and B14 that are only required to carry identification (GBR 111 etc) on their mainsails. They do not carry them on the kites. To do this would be impractical as their is no forward face but two sides, plus stitching/gluing numbers (inking in does not last) onto the sail would induce a different stretch profile and many stitching or glued area, generating a hard spot and eventual distortion of the sail shape. Also to my knowledge there are very few Symmetric WS international classes that do not carry numbers including the 505, but the Fireballs do have them. Personally I do not believe they add any value and that the mainsail identification would suffice and that adding numbers shortens the life of the fabric and devalues the kite if wishing to turn over regularly as we do with all our sails
I don’t know about all these technicalities, but we can confirm that for the first Silver Tiller event at Burghfield you won’t have to have sail numbers on your spinnakers - the Notice of Race race will clearly state it. Everyone can just come and enjoy their reintroduction to (crazy) racing without fear! Look forward to seeing you all there.
Chris, thanks for that.
RE. advertising on spinnakers, I'm sure the class do not allow sponsorship / advertising on sails. However I have also seen an advert for Ministry of sound, Minions, Transformers, and X men. At what point does the artwork contravene advertising? Do we know that these people don't work for the companies?
Dear RG, For clarity. I do actually work for Gru. A great boss who I feel really should have patented the fart gun much earlier on in his career. However being one of Gru’s henchman has proved that crime doesn’t pay, so I am looking for a career change that will fund my new numbered spinnaker. Any advice appreciated. Regards Mark B