Help with Info for yearbook!!!

09/01/2013 14:50:27
Hi all, I am heading to a close on this years yearbook and I am missing a couple of things. 

Does anybody know who won the Perry pot (under 18) and Dracote Salver (Team) at Salcombe last year?

Also, I need a good photo from last season of Taxi and Tom if anyone has one?

I would appreciate some help on this.


09/01/2013 16:04:54
Tim Fells
Hi Jez - I believe team winners were Blithfield (Taxi, Biggs, Potts)

09/01/2013 17:12:06
Thanks Tim. Clean sweep of the Team Trophies then for Blithfield. Nationals, Inlands and Salcombe!

Perry Pot anyone????

11/01/2013 18:36:08
Perry pot was this Harriet Salmon

13/01/2013 15:25:04
Can we have the Class Rules reinstated? That would be useful.

Also, the entire Contents page needs updating: 2012 was the same as 2011, which itself had errors (eg the first entry under "Winners" is "2008 Trophy Winners".


13/01/2013 22:12:31
Andy Hay - Business as Usual
Rich, the Rules were removed quite simply because they were not aligned with the ones on the RYA web site (the later being the "legally binding" ones). Funnily enough, the yearbook was more up to date as the RYA had not updated theirs after years of AGMs.

The 2013 Rulesa re on the RYA web site - not sure why they have the page title as Merlin Redwing, might be something to do with copyright .... ;-)
13/01/2013 22:46:02
Still nice to have them in the Yearbook, especially if the version on the RYA site is out of date. And of course if they are in the Yearbook one won't need an iPad to read them in the boat park (or workshop).

13/01/2013 22:49:44
Andy Hay - Business as Usual
2nd January 2013 rules on the RYA web site. These will be the ones in play for this season. Print out a copy and would too can have one in your (or JTs) workshop.

On a slight tangent, not having the rules in the yearbook does reduce printing costs for the MROA (19 pages x 500 members). :-)

Fancy making bilge keels optional?

13/01/2013 23:22:32
Keith Callaghan
I'm having trouble keeping up with the changes of URL for the MR rules. Thanks for updating us Andy. However, it looks like the 2013 rules are already out of date: see the very last paragraph, which refers to membership stickers.

14/01/2013 07:17:04
Andy Hay - Business as Usual
I also noted something in there in red text about new boats built after 01/01/2013 and official RYA plaques - not something that concerns me at the moment, but I cannot remember this appearing in the AGM and being voted upon.

At least the bilge keel rules are what was voted through .... :-)

Sorry, Jez, we rather hijacked your thread.

14/01/2013 09:47:51
David Child
The building plaque is usual in other classes as are purchased sail labels, -sole purpose revenue generation- since scrutineers rarely look at them! I guess the all powerful RYA slipped this in? It would have been good form to let people know, even if there was no vote at class level. It puts amateur builders on the spot though, will their build need to be supervised by a measurer at every stage to be eligible for the plaque?

14/01/2013 10:13:50
No problem Andy, this is exactly why the rules are no longer in the yearbook as by the time I go to print they are out of date again! there is a link on the home page to them though.

I wondered if anyone had noticed the contents page! Wast of time producing a new one for last year as they did not put it in! I must have missed it in the proof. Thnis years will be correct!

Was it Harriet again last year then? I heard a rumour it was Alice Markham. Unless someone can confirm it for certain I will have to leave it blank which would be a shame.

14/01/2013 13:05:45
Andy Hay - Business as Usual
Jez - the web link goes to the 2011 Rules, so that is out of date too!! Can you give Mags another nudge?

14/01/2013 16:40:50
Re Class Rules – I see the 2013 addendum (18 b ii) reads:
"The registered sail number will be allocated by the RYA upon the payment of the appropriate fee to the RYA and shall be ... For boats built after the 01/01/2013 carry an RYA building fee plaque issued by the RYA, permanently fixed to the inside starboard side of the transom below the sheerline..."

So... one amendment this year and the wording not make sense. Am I alone in thinking our rules should be expressed in proper English?

14/01/2013 19:16:39
Andy Hay - Business as Usual
I would also be interested to see whether the RYA can stick their plaque on the old Wembley One Designs - they had a transom, but it was entirely within the aft buoyancy tank!

Nice that the RYA helpfully highlighted that one in red text too.

15/01/2013 10:02:04
Andrew M
As an example of tautology, surely it's not possible to affix a plaque *above* the sheerline?

15/01/2013 13:48:46
Andy Hay - Business as Usual
Keith - since the first paragraph of the Rules states that anything within square brackets is a "note" and does not form part of the Class Rules, the requirement to affix a membership sticker to the boat certificate was never actually a requirement. So, the MROA's decision to stop sending out stickers shouldn't affect anything.

15/01/2013 22:22:04
John M
You either are an RYA National Class and the RYA owns your rules and can do to them whatever they like (the purpose of an AGM is so that a National Class can tell the RYA what its members want, but the RYA do not have to listen.)

There was a choice to opt out about 8 years ago. The "National" 12 did and is no longer a National Class and its members run things independently of the RYA. The logic for not doing it is that the RYA can act as an independent unpaid arbiter on a technical issue whereas the 12s might have to pay for it. The 12 rules sit on the 12 website - and also get printed in their booklet. Building plaques are not required and measurement certificate money goes to the Class rather than the RYA.

It seems to work.

16/01/2013 12:58:36
Keith Callaghan
Presumably the MROA can vote to opt out of RYA control at any time. But would we get the right to the trade mark name 'Merlin Rocket' which the RYA seems to have grabbed?

16/01/2013 13:14:16
We have been round this buoy.  I think we agreed at a recent AGM to remain with the RYA as the advantages outweighed the disadvantages.

17/01/2013 10:17:28
David Henshall
It is interesting how these issues come around and around. I'm now up to the 'early 80s' with Pure magic, the new book on the class, by coincidence I was reading the AGM reports from 81/82 when the discussion on leaving the RYA was a 'hot' topic. The Firely Class had recently gone 'independant' which lead to quite a groundswell of thinking that the MR should follow suit. That was more than 30 years ago!"


17/01/2013 11:17:35
Peter Scott
It is almost tradition that every Chairman has a 'rules' moment during their tenure - my moment revolved around the sheathing of new hulls  in glass fibre (shows me age - there were wooden boats then!)It was very helpful to have the RYA input in resolving the issue. Given the transient nature of Committee's, having a fixed point ofhelp to turn to is no bad thing.

17/01/2013 23:23:47
Pat Blake
These are wise words Mr Scott - but are we sure the RYA staff have as much commitment to the tradition and principles behind the class as we do?

Another ex-chairman, Pat

18/01/2013 07:48:49
Peter Scott
Good point - well made! The reality is that ,as the Class evolves, this area needs to be kept under review - what was 'right' back then might not be 'right' now. 
As they say 'that's the trouble with nostalgia, it's not what it used to be'!

18/01/2013 17:20:55
Chris I
Surely the building fee is payable to the designer, not the RYA?

18/01/2013 17:47:39
David Child
No, that's the Royalty, the building fee is the RYA tax.


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