Handicap Age Bands
What's the rationale behind the revised handicap category for old boats? (I think it was updated quite a while ago) It used to be that any boat 3430+ was current handicap ie anything Canterbury tales or newer. The adjustment now starts from 3553 so that now includes Gangsta Pardise, Unfinished Business, Gilt Complex, Moondance, plus many others that aren't really any slower than their contemporary FRP counterparts, which are similar to that currently in production? Indeed most of these have modified bows (some from new!) or one-stings so why do we recommend a different yardstick for club handicaps?
Have to agree with Tim on this one. The Joyrider is very close under the water to the Mk4 and with one string/young athletic top crew would be in the mix at this years champs.
Tim, I don't really understand what the issue is? Since the adjustment starts a catagory higher now, that takes another 10 off your boats yardstick so you are still equally adjusted to the boats you mention but have a larger advantage over the later boats? I am sure your menmbers will happily keep you closer to the newer boats if you ask them?
Well I'm delighted with the plus 10 for 3434 which is neither modernised nor a Tales.
Hi Tim, could you just possibly have an interest in this one as one of the last alloy rigged boats still sailing on the circuit!! Gangsta has been an "old boat" for a while now, Heaven Sent has only one modification from the 1993 spec which is the carbon mast, the cunningham & lowers strings would appear to be JT's original. Please can I have a prize for the oldest bit of control line?
After years of complaining about this, being the first boat in the 'new category' but one of the last NSM4s, its finally been changed when I'm not sailing competitively any more. Now I need to find something else to complain about!
Icicle series at Bough Beech has had one merlin in the 'conventional kite' fleet, Andy Kerr sailing 3411 NSM4, now in it's 25th year.
yes, but why the change so that boats 3430-3553 get an advantage in club handicap racing over boats 3554+ onwards. Most of them are Canterbury Tales, Let it Rides & Thin Ices with carbon rigs etc? no?
I'm not all comfortable with age related handicaps, and never really have been. Every dog has it's day and by the time you average out wind conditions at clubs that handicap race you'll find that in an average series 50% of races are sailed in a force two or less where a well sailed and maintained old boat is at little disadvantage.
Tim, this is only a guide, clubs can use whatever they feel is correct within their own racing rules. They don't have to handicap at all if they don't want to. Chris is right in that with little wind the older boats do hold their own to a degree. However with a modern Winder Tales you can put allot more load on the rig without changing the shape of the boat, most will be lighter or at the very least have 20% of their weight in the centre of the boat, are generally more faired under the waterline and are more likely to have a top helm in them to boot.
I'm not raising an issue. If all i was interested in was winning the old boats prize i wouldn't have spent £x and xhours altering the boat.
I was pulling your leg Chris! Your boat is just a very good example of why the Old Boats prize is now, I my opinion anyway, wrong. Whether you are interested in the old boats prize or not, your boat is now very well placed to win it even if you don't intend to. That is exactly my point. By making these 'updatable' boats 'Old' you open it up to people just looking to move up the fleet at considerable expense and this is then at the cost of the people who are genuinely sailing the 'Older' boats.
I think the main thing is to have something in place for the large number of pre-tales boats racing in handicap around the country. What happens at the boundary is less important, 10 points is not that much after all. Most of the boats around 3400 to 3550 are probably a bit slower than a brand new boat, due to not being fully sorted. There will be anomalies, but we should not worry too much, the principal thing is to get clubs to understand graded handicaps to give something fair(ish) to the older boats.
Perhaps some of the bigger events such as Salcombe could have a handicap prize, making it more interesting for some of the older boats.