rubbing strakes and spinnikar chute lip replacement
If it the smokers that was recently advertised on ebay then for the rubbing strakes you would be best placed to try and source some spruce/sycammore as it would appear that is what has been used previously. Alternatively you could remove the rubbings altogether and replace with mahogany, although a darker wood.
To prevent the spinnaker chute lip getting chafed by the halyards, fit a bit of smooth stainless steel tube inside and across the chute just below the rear edge for the kite to run around. Anything between a half and one inch diameter would do. It stops the halyards even touching the lip.
thanks for the replies - yup it's the one on ebay - not too bad nick -just those items to do + p&v
I saw that one, looked like a nice boat. Glad it is going to be put to use. I would suggest Sycamore as I think that is what is on it now and it looks prettier that Mahogany. However the latter is likely to be easier to source and harder wearing. It is also less likely to stain.
thanks Jez + others
Hi.. if you are in the London area looking for good proper wood... there is a wonderful timber yard half way down King Street in Hammersmith..... hard to find it is down a very narrow alleyway ... they are called Moss and Co and are happy to let you browse around.... it is worth it just to see.. has been there for 120 years.... they are not boat specialist but have a wonderful selection of hardwoods ....
I went there once and they are amazing!
one of the first times I was there I was sorting out wood and they came up and asked me to leave as they were closing for lunch...... I thought how great a place that stillvalues it's lunchtime!!!!
Hey marek, glad that you've seen the light! Welcome to the class.See you in September...
You could use brown plastic sewer pipe to stop the haliards from being chafed.Would look better than Steel.
It would probably melt as the halyard/downhaul was pulled across it at speed.
Sewer pipe is exactly what Spud Rowsell used for the first practical spinnaker chute in 1970 on David Robinsons original Ghost Rider I do not recall it gave any problems at all.
Whats the name and number of your satisfaction ?
MR 3084 - no idea of the name -- now to go and collect her - any takers with a towbar to bring her from Harrow to Kingston? - will pay fuel and a drink???!!!!!
Rowsell Brothers built in 1977 and called Glowing Ember
Brookes Bros at Maldon have sycamore planks in stock if you want to replace complete long sections. They are on 01621 877400. If you only want to patch up the chute mouth and the bit missing off the e-bay photo, drop me a line & I may find you some suitable off-cuts. Your dilemna then would be some garishly bright new areas adjoining something pretty ancient & grotty......
I think you have to ask yourself "Why have these planks popped out?" Is the stem rotten and the screws have lost their grip? If that's the case the tension involved in screwing the planks tight again may not allow you to do that although I would expect that after so many years there is a "set" in the planking so this may not be a huge issue. Remember that if the boat has been left "bow down" this is the very area where the water will have gathered and the wood in the stem may be soft. Question 2 Has the glue simply failed - again possibly because it is constantly wet but not rotted. Whatever you do there is little point in just driving epoxy in and screwing up the planks, as if there is a load of crappy glue in there, without it being cleaned out you are forming a joint on top of the old glue and it may not make a strong joint. I am not sure how you get over this but you should bear in mind why it happened in the first place. If they have sprung by 3mm then there should be enough of a gap to get an old hacksaw or mini hacksaw blade in and scratch away at the old glue. Scrape and hoover, scrape and hoover to get the rubbish out. If there are signs of other sprung planks that would suggest glue failure. Were Satisfactions built with epoxy - in fact when was epoxy first used by Merlin builders? Interesting question which may help restorers in the future. No matter what, you are right to want to get the whole thing dried out. This has been a bit of a ramble as I have thought of things and written them down!!!
Don't know if this helps but I do know that alot of builders, in other classes, were well into the use of West Epoxy in 1980, and had even gone to the stage of modifying their building methods to make the best of the system, i.e.using semi plugs almost like a mold to hold the panels as the epoxy set. This would suggest that epoxy had been used for a number of years before this.
It does not sound too bad. The knee is a fairly easy fix as is the gunwhale. The stem you may find will come back with a little sanding once you remove what is left of the varnish. It is a pretty hard wood used there and so will not rot easily.
Let me know exact sizes you need and I'll sort out something before the Dinghy Show. I've also got a suitable chunk you can enjoy shaping for the chute mouth.
Just a thought (based on my now defunct Smokers).
All woods have what is called a stake life, based on a 1" x 1" squre stake driven into soil and left in rough terms Teak is longest Oak or Elm is next longest followed in order by loads of others tables are published on the web, proper real mahogany (Honduras/Cuban etc.)is reasonably durable but many of the ersatz African Mahoganies Khaya,etc are far from durable and not very strong either so if it's a dinghy built in the last 30 years or so unliely to be real mahogany.
thanks all for your valuable replies
Sorry! Just re reading some of this ... Stem cap! It is screwed form the outside and glued. Try to remove screws, wedge it off from the bottom and sides. Very helpfull if spinny cap is also removed as one is glued to t'other. But neither in oak !!!
Oak was good enough for The Victory.
majority views prevail - no oak will grace the good ship glowing ember - sycamore rules!!
How much does the victory weigh in at then? On the other hand, if you are planning on mopunting Cannon then Oak might be the way to go!!
Personally on a boat of that age i would use mahogany. Sycamore tends to be very white and unless you're replacing the deck ply too would look a little out of place. It also aleviates the problem of future blackening.