Duplication of Boat Names
Congratulations on yet another great entry list for Salcombe 09.
You better reinstate the Puff....
No need for false modesty Tony you did win as you say, despite the light weather a good Championship Week I won my first Championship Race (West Country Trophy and so did Pat Blake (Silent World Trophy.)
Yes it was very good year......
Grumpy old Santa
Even nostalgia isn't what it used to be!
It was the 60's and if you remember it you weren't there!
Those are the only years I can remember with clarity!! Its last weekend that I cant recall.
I name this ship....
Aquarius as a name was given to 1526,451 and 1234. Oberon given to 127 and to 3026. Pandora to 415 and 543. Second Wind 708 and 2248. Starlight 523 and 3253. Are Boo-Boo (1444), Bye Bye (2761), Bu Bu (1188),Can Can (550),Chi Chi (1865), She -She (1478) Si Si (1500), Ya Ya (1617) allowed (same name twice on the same boat!!)?? There are lots of names the same but suffixed with I, II, or III
It was I who named 3641 "Puff the Magic Dragon" of which I believe there are no others. I named it such despite being warned that my northern friends (yes, you Julian and Rich) were going to pronounce it Poof. Perhaps Mark has abbreviated as he doesn't want the years of mickey taking...
Like that would stop anything!!!
what a silly rule...
Yes it is a silly rule,always was, but the authorities still seem really keen on it. I supose its one way they can try to exert more control!
The rule is an MROA rule (rule 20). I have sampled other 'national classes' rules as per the RYA web site, and none have sucg a prescriptice rule. So the authority you refer to is the association you belong to ( I presume) an are a voting member of.
I would bow to Alan’s scholarship in terms of class rules, it has however certainly (- if not a class rule –uniquely in the Merlin Rocket Class-Nationally-) been a convention applied by the Certificate Issuing authorities of many countries that no duplication of names is permitted indeed in some classes where there is a obvious and “good” name there has been almost a queue and if the name should fall out of use an unseemly rush to register that name.
Sorry got to to submit my thoughts, although I am only 40 something I am something of a traditionalist in this respect.
i have never seen a merlin without a name, and rarely seen an rs or laser something or other with one!
Searching the RYA web site, I can confirm it is a class rule issue, not RYA or ISAF.
As I said a convention not a rule.
I name this ship....
I think that the Lasers are worried about breaking away from the herd and becoming individuals. They mostly seem to be white too. With identical equipment and devoid of personality unlike the Merlins, where every boat has its quirks all the way down the years. I wonder will I be alive when the Lasers have a vintage wing!!!!!
Each to their own. Sailing boats are sailing boats. Different classes satisfy different requirements. Most dinghy racers care about the racing first.
Alan F---- you would be welcome in the Solo fleet, where many other MR helms reside.
Just sold my OK :(
I rather like the tradition of the rule and it is a shame it has slipped in some cases. Most National Classes and others had a similar rule at one time but it would seem we are one of the few that retain it. It was part of the traditions of the sport.
The lasers at Tamesis have many different names and colours:
I think the Classic and Vintage Laser fleet's breeding in my garden with a yellow with cream deck about number 85000 and an orange with fawn deck (a bit older)and an ex-navy grey number 22150. The real big cost is gelcoat colours to match - I can paint a Merlin cheaper! And no, I don't like ironing boards but others do. They just don't suit names unlike Merlins which are individual characters.
The Laser2000 fleet tries to encourage people to name their boats - in order to add a bit of individuality.
One for the Record
I can confirm that boat number 1693 is named "Magic Dragon",boat number 3641 is named "Puff the Magic Dragon" and that no duplication of boat names is allowed by the class rules.Feel free to contact me when naming or renaming a boat and this situation can be avoided.Louisa.
You can always just add a number to the name.
You can, but somehow it doesn't feel within the spirit of the rule...
If you like the name and want to keep it without depriving the previous boat of its given name it's a way round though, lots of precedents within Yachting and the Merchant Fleets. - Restless, Morning Cloud, Queen Elizabeth spring to mind.
only one titanic though!
So - your challenge is to remember the boat name that was re-used the most (without consulting the yearbook!). Did any name make it to 4 or more incarnations?
Just to keep everyone happy I have re-instated the Puff..................
Sorry got the link wrong (again!!!)
former whitstable pro
Restless 1-VII then B!
Committee Member SW
The issue of duplicate boat names is being looked at by the Committee as the item appears on the forum. As usual, it is not as simple as it might appear.
So what rules do the RYA apply when issuing a certificate or do they make them up on the day?
The requirement for names is a class rule. No20. This instructs the owner to supply 3 names. For a boat to be issued with a certificate it must comply with all the class rules - Rule 1(b) and no boat may race unless it has a valid certificate and the owner is a member of the Association. Therefore a check on boat names should be done as part of certification and the measurement form asks for a boat name.
Ah yes that magic word communication!
David CWhen you say "the old files" does that mean there are some paper records which have not been transferred to computer files? I wanted to get a copy of a certificate for 252 built by Wyche and Coppock and was told that there were no records. This makes getting a certificate very difficult as we in Aberdeen live a long way from any measurer. She will weigh a ton, won't win anything yet is ineligible for events without a cert!! I feel sure that there must be a record somewhere.
Even if only in the old year books!
Garry. I have a copy of the 1951 Year Book that records the owners in that year of 252 'Gannet' as D T Sharp and J Chambers of Banbury SC. I regret my records do not help to find where she went from there but I do remember Mr Sharp from my early days at Banbury c. 1960.
I did feel that I got a stock reply when I phoned RYA - "Sorry it's not on the computer" and that was it. I now have a name and will follow it up. Thanks for that.
I didn't have any problem with 2121 - the certificate came back almost by return of post yet she hadn't been certificated for many years.
Gog bless them the response to a query from the RYA depends on the day and who's there and if like DavidC you have clout, just like going to the local post office! Not all persons are equal or mindful to be helpful on a given day.
David that would be great - Aberdeen is too far away to pop in and you have the info - Gannet, built 1951 hull number 252 carved into the thwart, Rocket design built by Wyche and Coppock.
I think 252 Gannet may have been built in 1949 or 1950 with 251 Rockaby, 254 Blithe Spirit, 255 Suncap and 256 Zero. They were all built by Wyche and Coppock for members of Banbury SC.
Nick Price (214)
I have just found a post from 2008 mentioning Merlin Rocket 'Magic Dragon' 1693 regarding the duplication of names. 'Magic Dragon' is alive and well and currently for sale!! Can anyone help me with any more information about my boat.
Tony - can you explain why was it called Magic Dragon?