What a lack of later Merlins for sale. The most expensive boat is £4,000 I would like to order a new one but not prepared to wait for two years. |
I'd place my order now, the waiting list is only going to get longer while you think about it. If you bail out your slot must have a value ... |
Was told at Ally Pally by someone one the stannd that he had spoken to Dave & that a new Winder could be obtained this season which I contested and was assured I did not know what I was talking about ! what is the true wait ? |
It was not Alex he was excellent and enthusiastic with his advice ! |
Well I spoke to Mr Winder at the show, and he said it was possible to get one at the end of this year, though we are looking at 2009 to replace Midnight Flight. |
Early 2009 I think. |
Barnsie states his boat is due Feb 09 is that his choice or the true wait ? |
It was our choice as we will be busy with the B14 Worlds in Hobart up to the end of January. |
So whats the lead in time on a Ticket to Ride ? Think they are more money than a Winder is this right ? |
Think they are competitively priced to be about the same. |
Is a Ticket to Ride just a glass version of a Let It Ride or have there been tweeks to the hull as well? |
Believe very similar to the Let it Ride. |
Glass ? Surely FRP presume carbon decks as well . Are they fast ? Let it Rides were inconsistent in shape were they not . |
I wouldn't say they were inconsistant, but there were tweaks asked for by a couple of clients. |
Great lets hope we see more of them ! |
The mould for Ticket to Ride was taken from 'Gangsta's Paradise' Phill Kings Championchip winning Let It Ride and now Dan Alsop's boat. |
Was the centreboard case not moved forward slightly too? |
FOR SALE EZ ROLLER , new sails,new boom, new poles, new rudder, new covers, new trolley, re-roped, comes with compass and brand new gasket and polished foils. has been back to kevin's shed over the winter for some love, can be viewed there. Absolutely ready to go £9750.00 |
Why sell having just spent all that money on her ?? |
He has a very short attention span! |
And money to burn by the look of it !! |
I've heard that the owner of Winder 3633 from Bolton has a new boat on order and he is sailing big boats offshore this season. I think he wants about £7500 to £8000; might be worth chasing up. |
How long before people start selling their orders pre-delivery like they do with special cars etc.? |
ok here is a bit of fun and please whilst the facts are true please treat is as such. |
Sell the slot,(Depending on the contract you have with the builder -SBNF terms? - 1/3rd 1/3rd 1/3rd) or take delivery, and sell in a public auction immediately, Mid Blue would seem to be the equivalent of Silver in Cars! Note the moment you have parted with cash you own the percentage you've paid for so you should insure. |
If have paid a deposit; which you have; then you have the right to sell the slot. |
Can the deposit be repaid and we all move up the queue by a place please ? otherwise an unfortunate precedent may be set for people putting names on an ever lenghtening list to get a place for peace of mind and potentially benefit if they choose to.Any distortion to the true lead in time to a new boat may indirectly put people off joining the class but on a positive note will help maintain secondhand prices for existing owners. I know this has been stated many times but the sooner a new boat arrives the sooner a secondhand one is available to someone wishing to upgrade or join us .Perhaps deposits should be increased by the builders ? |
Surely irrespective whether a deposit is repaid or not if the boat is no longer required then everyone will move up the pecking order in so far that the boat construction has not yet commenced or if it has some lucky soul could get their boat this side of Christmas (assuming that the colour chosen is not too hideous and meets with the buyers spec). What one has to remember is that a deposit is a guarntee as a first instalment to the vendor to secure purchase of said goods and cover for any inconvenience/loss of earnings so whether a deposit is returned in full or part is purely down to the discretion of the vendor, so I wouldn't go holding your breath just yet! |
It's called the free market. City boys estate agents super car dealers etc do it all the time. One day someone will take delivery of his all singing all dancing Winder wonder and stand on the foreshore and say; "What am I bid"? Someone, sometime, will say £20,000.0; deal done. Inflation as well as market forces will take over, a second viable and credible builder is needed, excellent as the other bulders are one gets the feeling its only a hobby to them, they's sooner work on easier projects, the fitting out is just to much. |
Is the above EZ sold then? |
Yawn, doesn't this thread come up time after time? |
I think not certainly was not in 1960 Robin Beauclare who had one of the early Proctor Mk9's 710 "Sarah Jane" sailed at Ranelagh once in verylight stuff with his Alsation Dog as crew he was disqualified so next time he put his baby daughter in the boat and was not. |
perhaps the disqualification was due to the Alsation not wearing a lifejacket |
Advertising Winalot and then being disqualified is not a good advert after all!! |
FOR SALE EZ ROLLER , new sails,new boom, new poles, new rudder, new covers, new trolley, re-roped, comes with compass and brand new gasket and polished foils. has been back to kevin's shed over the winter for some love, can be viewed there. Absolutely ready to go £9750.00 |
I have just cancelled my order with Winders,for a summer delivery slot, and they very kindly returned my deposit in full. I toyed with the idea of auctioning the slot. I just didn't seem fair. |
You'll probably need to replace it too. What does it weigh? MOD's are very inconsistant in build quality. Still if you are M&S rather than Saville Row. Remember the Rothschild quote that he as not rich enough to buy cheap things. MR's are value. |
Come on "over-committed" please tell why you are giving up so easily ?? |
Because it doesn't carry weight? 20 stone according to the design guide? |
I understand from Mr Winder that the order wait maybe negotiable according to other programmes in play. The gross misinformation that seems to be around is unhelpful. The current wait is approximately a year unless build slots become available and are agreed. However, many purchasers choose to specify a delivery time well in advance. It is best to work directly with Winders about your specific circumstances rather than upset others with incorrect info. |
EZR comfortably carries up to 23 stone according to my research. Graham Scroggie thought he was too light for his a few years ago if i remember rightly. |
Perhaps there is a market for lightweight sailing gear just as jockeys use silks and very light boots and breeches, most of it weighs a lot. |
Perhaps if over committed didn't start races 10 seconds early the weight issue wouldn't be such an issue ... |
Graham never thought he was too light with little Ben in the boat!!! |
He wasn't sailing with Ben when he said it............. |
Still seems to work. http://www.yachtsandyachting.com/photos/?s=64&PID=26578 |
Has the EZR been posted on the for sale pages? Or is it a wind up, because The Boatyard at Beer do not seem to know it's for sale. |
Two Canterbury Tales have appeared on secondhand list - be quick ! |
There are 5 |
no its not for sale, but someone was complaining that there were no boats available and there is massive demand.by virtue of the fact that there was nothing in my inbox with reference to said EZ roller I would suggest there is a little bit of hype around. QED. ( and i think if you study the video you will see i was premature by about 20 seconds!!) |
I think there have been good boats for sail recently it's just they get sold before they ever make to the for sale list. |
A boats wanted list? Might flush a few genuine sellers from the coverts! |
Just watched the video one of the more pathetic attempts at time on distance I've seen and then he messed the start for himself and several others too. Oops. |
Yes it was a great start wasn't it - with tide under you and a pile of boats to leeward there's no way out of that one |
If there are very few good new boats coming up for sale, build slots of over 12 month ahead. No new designs in recent years. |
Interesting little item on ebay. Saw this advert from 1952 promising "immediate delivery for your holiday"!!!! Progress now means that if you wanted a new Merlin you wait about a year. http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/1952-Vintage-Advert-FIREFLY-12-DINGHY-FAIRY-MARINE_W0QQitemZ370034365588QQihZ024QQcategoryZ423QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem |
stagnation? how wrong! The problem is that unless "in the know" those new boats become retrospective post sales. Sign of exuberent health! We would love to have new boats: FIRM order and maybe capacity will be delivered. |