Whitstable raised a couple of sailing technique questions:
Posted: 03/07/2006 10:58:32
If you luff them to kingdom come, they'll think twice about it next time... this can be especially fun if you find yourself near the front and going slower than the boats around you. The effect is similar to following a caravan along the A303.
Posted: 03/07/2006 11:08:26
By: Interested Observer
what is the thickness of your jib sheets ? are they tapered ?
Posted: 03/07/2006 11:22:41
It's not a question of sportsmanship it's a question of sailing faster, and it is nearly always better to sail low (Lower than you need) at the start of the leg then you can come into the mark sailing faster and the extrapped give you the upper hand. It's not that simple but there have always been luffers and I've never seen serious a race one by one. Better let a truly faster yachr go and get on with sailing your own boat faster. Dead running its good to have the crew looking aft a lot to spot wind patterns etc too.
Posted: 03/07/2006 11:24:49
As Lowell North the great sailmaker says "Boatspeed makes you a tactical genius"!
Posted: 03/07/2006 11:33:25
As a fleet we seem obsessed with sailing high, certainly in the middle and i've reluctantly reached the conclusion that the only way to beat them is to join them.
Posted: 03/07/2006 12:32:36
By: Chris M
But you've got to get low at some ponit the shortest (And most often quickest.) distance between two points is a straight line not the "curve of the dog".(Actuaries and mathematicians will undrestand this.)
Posted: 03/07/2006 12:39:47
By: Not at all Obvious
Surely this is all about boat handling and racing tactics. There are ways out of a luffing battle, If you are trapped on the windward side srew head to wind and stall the boat then use momentum to duck the lufing boats transome. slight heel to windward, bear off and you are long gone.
Posted: 03/07/2006 12:41:25
By: Hamish 3321
I suppose it also depends on how many boats there are around you as you round. In my experience the worst possible place to be is just in front of a gaggle of boats.
Posted: 03/07/2006 13:10:36
By: Chris M
Wasn't it Shoreham when we were nearly Gybing to get to the wing mark! It's easy to get sucked in.
Posted: 03/07/2006 13:11:44
Yep had the problem at Shoreham on the sunday myself, being shouted at by the boat in front for going high when I had 4 or 5 boats all trying to pile over me.. Wasn't prepared to just sit there and let them roll me... so up we all went like fools when it was obvious to go lower.. but people will not be told ...
Posted: 03/07/2006 13:34:22
It's an interesting one this one. I think the problem yesterday (if it was the first race Mr D), was that the sea breeze was coming in only if you went really high, and then there was enough tide to kind of get you to the mark. As for if you can't beat them, join 'em, I've been amazed so many times that with these new kites it jus seems to pay to go high high high. A number of times we've tried togo low and it just doesn't seem to work. Weird. maybe there's more dirty air of the big kites?
Posted: 03/07/2006 13:40:52
I know what you mean about going high seems to pay with the big kites.
Posted: 03/07/2006 14:22:27
Posted: 03/07/2006 15:02:08
Or even "Luff is the greatest thing, the oldest yet the latest thing, I only hope that luff may bring, luff's glories to you!!!" (With apologies to Peter Skellern and the Black Dyke Mill Brass Band (or is that black band?)
Posted: 03/07/2006 15:57:33
By: Garry R
Conventional wisdom says go low, but it is true it never seems to work for us. Natt always wants to defend and goes high and the couple of times I have said 'trust me stay low' we have lost out big time, she just ignores me now.
Posted: 03/07/2006 18:18:43
By: Alan F
Deepy is right. When the new big kites came in Lawrie Smart told me that the larger dirty wind shadow from them made it very difficult to go low. If you are going to do it you have to go seriously low straight after the mark to generate as big a gap as possible between you and the line of luffing boats behind. You invariably lose out to start but more than make up for it at the end
Posted: 03/07/2006 19:13:33
Posted: 03/07/2006 20:53:30
By: Alan F
It must be luff, luff, luff
Posted: 03/07/2006 22:48:15
You've lost that luffin' feeling, woo hoo...
Posted: 04/07/2006 00:25:56
By: Hot Shot
Yes JC - we actually got the first reach right (doing the old John Turner, looking between the marks when you round them to see the best course given the tide) - my beef was with the second reach, where we were all high and everyone was still pushing higher. (Especially given the old rule that if one reach of the triangle is mega tight, the other should be the opposite...)
Posted: 04/07/2006 08:54:51
Get over it Dalby...
Posted: 04/07/2006 09:08:00
Yeah I know, you're right ~ I'm really trying to re-center the old ying and yang ~ it may take a few years though!
Posted: 04/07/2006 09:26:59
Young Dalby - take heart that there was someone to pass you - shurely an improvement!!!!!!!!!
Posted: 04/07/2006 11:49:45
Ouch he didn't deserve that
Posted: 04/07/2006 14:16:20
By: front to back
Posted: 04/07/2006 15:27:27
By: Alan F
Andy - my suggestion is sail your own race
Posted: 04/07/2006 16:12:01
I'm guessing a certain Mr W Rainey was the culpret? He sailed over me too - very sly!
Posted: 04/07/2006 16:19:13
By: Guess Who?