As part of my ever lasting renovation of MR908 I want to fit a spinnaker chute as I know I really would not get on with retreaving a spinnaker to bags. I cant fit it in the usual location as on most boats for various structural reasons and therefore plan to fit it on the port side foredeck as close to the stem as practically possible. Is there any fixed dimension I need to follow or any nasties to look out for. Help/advise and pictures most appreciated. |
There is a picture of Once Bitten (I think) on her side in the famed Merlin Rocket book showing an offset chute, circa 1985. The only concern I would have is the starboard sheet going under the bow, but we struggle with that anyway! |
Having the sheets going under the bow is a royal pain in the b*m. The new Winder boats have elastic takeaways fitted to the pole downhauls so that when you're dropping the kite the sheets remain lifted above the deck. Although not 100% fool proof it is a vast improvement and one I'd recommend. Also having had a Mk12 redecked and chute moved to the bow I can confirm this involved a lot of time and effort, stick with the offset chute if you can. |
Thanks guys. I'll stick to the side option. |
I spoke to Brett Dingwall recently about retro-fitting a chute to my 9b in the conventional way and he advised that it was not too big a job to undertake. You might like to give him a call. His work is of the highest standard and he has many years experience. |
Richard, |
Thanks Rod. |
Hi Richard, I had my old sugar plum modified with a bow chute just like they are now but I did take it to the builder to do the woodwork, it worked very well. |
Surely a modified fireball shute would work? You may have to cut it down, but it should work-worth a go. |
Hi Richard, I did this work to my Mk xii last winter and must ask a couple of questions at this point. 1) What are the structural reasons preventing going ahead and 2) Are you prepared to alter the basic geometry if you could go ahead. |
Hi Ben, |
1728 had holes with deck underbags on either side of the mast BUT the constant rubbing led to delamination of the edges and meant that when I got her it was a re-deck job. |
Neil Wilson at Holy Loch has a bag arrangement - I think IKEA¬bags and he sails very competitively in his vintage boat - see the link. I may go the same way on Gannet if I get the time to organise it. http://www.merlinrocket.co.uk/gallery/view_photo.asp?folder=gallery/open_meetings/holy_loch&file=polaris2007_pic23.jpg |
I put a chute (hole) in 1357 many years ago, simply cut a hole in the deck and fitted mahogany frame to round the opening. Chimp is now I believe redecked without the chute. |
Ex Merlin Sailor, |
vintage boats should be kept in vintage condition otherwise they are not vintage boats anymore. I would not add achute.Keep it original. |
Is it not a case of just keeping them sailing? |
PS Richard my way around the chute would be to fitb a false deck to hold the bow bag down and keep it clear of the kite. This needs to be strong and will need bracing underneath, but shouldn't be too hard to do. |
Being a development class, even if that development seems currently static, it would seem logical to update a boat as and when. Making the hill stronger, fitting bulheads or whatever. Especially as sails foils and rig are at least as important if not more than hull shape. |
Fitting a false deck over the bow bag was my first attempt on 1620, but I found it worked a lot more smoothly by taking a big tube down the stem and UNDER the bag. I know, I was worried about lifting the centre of bouyancy, but in practice it doesn't seem to make much difference and 1620 is much easier to recover from a capsize than 2988, not least because I have 3 bags each side under the rolled side decks. Actually I still do have a false deck fitted to the bottom side of the deck beams, partly to keep the bag down, but also because I have a horizontally mounted lever system for mast ram. |
Fitting a false deck over the bow bag was my first attempt on 1620, but I found it worked a lot more smoothly by taking a big tube down the stem and UNDER the bag. I know, I was worried about lifting the centre of bouyancy, but in practice it doesn't seem to make much difference and 1620 is much easier to recover from a capsize than 2988, not least because I have 3 bags each side under the rolled side decks. Actually I still do have a false deck fitted to the bottom side of the deck beams, partly to keep the bag down, but also because I have a horizontally mounted lever system for mast ram. |
I flew the spinnaker on Gannet last Sunday and wondered how long it had been since that happened - probably 25 years if not longer in her 58 years!! Used a bucket launch and it seemed to work well with an old wooden pole. The one difference I noticed was how stable the boat became on a run. Sure, a shute would be easier but then it wouldn't be Gannet any longer and being a ribbed boat she'd be ruined. I'm not sailing to win anything although the Lasers have been given a surprise this year on my vintage handicap but just thoroughly enjoy sailing a boat kept pretty original and proving that the boat is "kept sailing" without having to alter much. |
And that's brilliant don't get me wrong. But knocking the efforts of those who have kept their old boats sailing by modernisation is not on. There's room for both and plenty of old boats to go around! |
When does a Merlin become of historic interest and deserve restoration rather than repair? My saved from scrap Smokers 2914 is now orange all over including decks and has scrapyard twin poles and a spaceframe. I have not sailed it much being too buisy with a single handed project but my son and daughter sailed it recently and it went very well only being beaten (in light winds) by a new Phantom. More modifications are in the pipeline which will further effect its originality, but it was that or the bonfire! |
I not actually crusading to prevent modernisation at all, don't get me wrong, I'm definately all for preserving older boats in any way that gives them a real life as that's certainly the best way of preserving them. Perhaps what I am thinking is that the vintage wing needs to be clarified. The 2009 Year book still defines it as ribbed and riveted and Classics upto a certain width (the word 'authenticity' also appears in that paragraph) I would have thought the whole point of the vintage wing was to cater for boats that loose out because of the developmental nature of the class. If a boat is retro-developed then it doesn't make sense to run a vintage wing. (especially a handicap system). |
I think the committee's main aim with the vintage wing was always getting more boats and people onto the water. I had better leave it to Mervyn and Alex to give a more official view, but that is a fundamental point of the main class association really. http://www.merlinrocket.co.uk/misc/vintage_handicaps2008.htm |
Following on from Chris' points please do bear in mind that "Vintage boat in vintage condition" doesn't mean clapped out as many beautiful examples of authentic and sympathetic restorations abound in the Merlin class. To me there would be little or no joy in sailing a boat with delaminating decks, for example, when a refurbishment can put that right with no change to the original specifiation. I think that Chris has hit the nail (or rivet) on the head when he uses the phrase "retro-developed" - often making a radical departure from the original eg carbon spars replacing alloy as the most obvious example. I have always held that this in effect results in a "new" boat and have no problem with it being done and the boat raced (often successfully) against boats which were developed through the normal restricted class design evolution. The leap of faith I find difficult is to see these as vintage boats and competing as such just because they have their original hull shape, pitted against those who choose to retain their boats in an original state for reasons of nostalgia. But of course nostalgia isn't what it used to be either. |
Jeepers! I'll stick to bags!!..........possibly ;-),though don't you just love this forum for driving such informed debate. keep it coming! |
We've a vintage boat in basically original configuration which has a spinnaker chute and the same bow bag arrangement described by Richard. To get the kite over the bow bag we've fitted a wooden "tube" about a foot square in section under the deck and this both holds the bow bag down and controls the kite. It was a quick "temporary" fix in ply which has been well varnished and has already lasted four years! |